January 17, 2010

  • This afternoon we took a walk from Nakasu Kawabata down Meiji Dori Street, stopping in places that looked interesting as we went.  We took a look into one shop run by a Catholic church, and it had a nice selection of books and CDs among other things.  A couple of things that I saw there shocked me a bit, though.  The first was a Catholic imitation of a Buddhist family altar, complete with the candles, offering dishes and name plate for the deceased.  The only thing missing was a bell to ring to get God's attention.  What am I to make of this?  Is it all right to adopt the forms of Buddist ritual of ancestor worship into Christianity?  I was a bit horrified.  There were also miniature wooden "zushi" shrines with a small statue of Mary inside instead of a statue of Buddha.  Doesn't this kind of border in idol worship?  Very disturbing...

Comments (10)

  • I don't think it's a problem. If you're from a Buddhist background, those images and forms just fit you better than explicitly Christian ones. Why not do what makes you most comfortable in your religion?

    Also, doesn't the Bible say "Judge not, lest you be judged?"

  • Interesting. Form and function are two different things, but how would I know what was meant there. I've heard some of the "ancestor worship" is really just honoring family, and for those where that's the case, then putting a slightly different look on it to differentiate it from normal Buddhist practice I think is a good idea. I don't get mad at Americans for keeping pictures of grandpa on the wall, so if that's the purpose of it then why not? It's the incense part that can bother me, but even then God describes our prayers as sweet smelling incense, so if it's burnt to God in thanks of their lives, then I see nothing wrong with that, either. Of course... the normal person probably isn't thinking those things...

    PS - My dad apparently is getting into Farmville on Facebook. If you need someone to trade with or whatnot, feel free to add him on it. You can find him through my "relations" on my own page. ;P

    God bless,
    ~Scott

    @Ufbad - 

    The judge there means to look down upon as inferior. We're also called to hold people up to God's standards, judging them that way, though. That verse gets way overused for the wrong reasons, and mostly by those outside of Christianity as an attempt to "shut us up" unless we know the Hebrew and point of the verse. If they're being held to God's standards, then we're not judging by any standard we're not ALREADY going to be judged by -- God's already made that clear. It may not be good for some of us to, say, play video games due to what influence it may have on us. The same goes for even just having a little to drink, but not getting drunk. If we took that rule, which we must play by due to weakness, and said others who do it at all and are more than responsible about it are then "lesser Christians than us," then that's when we've broken that statement of God.

  • @gelatinemonkey - 

    But I also don't see why using Buddhist style altar with Christian implications is such a big deal, and you have not addressed that.

  • @Ufbad - I am not sure how big a deal this is, it just didn't sit right with me.  This is the first time for me to see such a thing.  I understand that this locality has a big Buddhist altar business.  Maybe they were just trying to drum up business with the Catholics.  The shopping arcade that we walked down yesterday boasts of four Buddhist altar shops.  A Buddhist style altar is set up to worship the spirits of dead relatives, who have supposedly gone on to become gods in the afterworld.  The God of the Bible tells us that we have no business doing this, and we are not to worship anything or anyone else.  We are not to attempt or have contact with the dead.  I have no problem with keeping a picture of Grandpa on the wall.  We do it to remember someone that we loved and still love, but we don't worship Grandpa, pray to his spirit or expect him to be able to do anything to alter the course of affairs in this world.  I can totally understand that Japanese Catholics would want to honor the memory of their dearly deceased, but I have trouble with them imitating Buddhist practices.  This is dangerously close to ancestor worship.  You would have to know more about a Buddhist family altar and its meaning to be able to understand what I mean, I think. 

    My mother in law has one in her house that she prayed to and left food and tea in every morning and evening, and I can't see that it ever did her a bit of good.  I kind of felt like the living were kept enslaved by the dead in some ways.  The priest would come for the local temple on the 4th of every month (Grandpa died on June 4) and collect $50 for five minutes worth of sutra chanting.  Nice business.  To see a Catholic "Butsudan" Buddhist altar just didn't sit well with me.  I am tempted to go back and ask the nuns in the store about this.  I would not do it in a judgemental way, I just want information.  I might ask them where in the Bible we are instructed to enshrine our relatives, though.  Since MIL is no longer able to live in her own home, I have felt free to close down the family altar and put all of the implements used in worhip away in the name of keeping the amount of dust down in a house where no one is living.  I kind of considered that a little victory that I was finally able to do this, and then I see Christians setting up the same kind of altar.  It was disturbing.

    You can probably guess my feelings about Buddhism, but I have to choose my battles carefully.  I would actually like to do away with the entire business, but that would be rather anti-social of me and destroy any chances to talk about Christianity.  Whenever MIL came back to her own house for a visit, I would always be sure there were flowers near the altar just to make her happy.  I can't worship at the altar myself, but I did get the flowers for her that she was no longer able to get herself, just as an act of love or respect.  If I have to go to a Buddhist funeral, I don't have to make a fuss against Buddhism that will make a sad situation worse.  It just isn't the time or the place.  I can hold babies, pour tea or be of service in some other way.  If I have to attend a Buddhist memorial service I can take pictures of the people gathered and make them an album.  If I have to complete MIL's "let's move the family bones of several people from the country into a city temple" project, I have to do it.  The cubby hole was already paid for, but the bones had to be recremated.  Yep, loaded them up in the urns with chopsticks and carted them back to the city in the bullet train.  Took 'em all out to Starbucks, too.  There was a fee to have sutras read when the urns were put into the temple cubbyhole.  I had to tell the temple that I was a Christian and didn't have a clue about such things, and they were very up front about providing the financial information - standard fee of $100, plus $100 every year for maintenance.  Gotta pay it, what can I do?  Can't have the bones lying in the street.

    @gelatinemonkey - This Catholic altar, yes, that's what is was, an altar, was so close to a Butsudan that it was creepy.  When a person dies and has a Buddhist funeral, the relatives pay a temple a handsome fee for a nice posthumous Buddhist heavenly name (戒名 かいみょう) which is written on a small piece of wood and enshrined in the family altar.  The more money you fork over the better the posthumous name.  This Catholic altar had a similar piece of wood with the name of the deceased (their own name, not a kaimyo), but a cross had been drawn in above the name.  But it was too close to a Buddhist altar for me not to be shocked.  The temptation to worship the dead Christian would seem very great here.  Well, maybe I should not be too shocked after all.  In the shop Mary clearly outstaged Jesus, and I know that saints are prayed to and relics venerated.

    According to Buddhist custom, the dead person supposedly becomes a god who protects or punishes good or errant family members.  The dead are fed, talked to and prayed to.  It is often very hard to draw the line between what is custom and what is religion.  Especially when visiting in the countryside, people first go and light a stick of inscense at the host's family altar as an expected form of greeting.  I really try to think of it as family repect and wish that I could dismiss it all as such, but it goes beyond just having a picture of Grandpa on the wall.  We have one lovable crazy "very religious" auntie in the family who says that people have come out of their graves to talk to her.  She used to dislike me until she decided that I must have been Japanese in a former life.  Allllll right, whatever.  People have to give up worshipping their dead relatives if they become Christians, and most are not willing to abandon that entrenched custom.  In that respect, it will keep them from entering the Kingdom of God, and thus cannot be dismissed as mere family respect.  I once heard a Japanese pastor ask what we thought the dead would say if they could really speak out of the family altars.  Think about it.

    And Catholics would condone imitating this??

  • @Ufbad - 

    Well not to drag this out on poor usalapinhazzer's site, but the problem with using an original one is purely for outsiders, as I would see it, if an issue at all. No one has any idea whether or not you're doing it via a "Christian perspective" or a "Buddhist one". If one were to be offering thanks every day at the altar as a Christian, it may not even translate as a change in a culture where >95% are Buddhist. If people were more aware of the fact there may be a difference, then perhaps it wouldn't matter (aside from making sure there's no "mini-Buddha" on it -- that I would highly advise against having at all for seemingly obvious reasons for the Christian). For that case, the Christian's name could easily be slandered, with "I swear I wasn't doing it the Buddhist way!" as their only plea for integrity as a Christian and almost no back-up to it except what others may say. If it was more widely known, then it would be easier to accept that answer and not be slandered or have a large amount of doubt thrown upon you. Mind you that after a few generations, if things have changed and the old connotation is lost, then moving back to the old style (again, minus any blatantly obvious non-Christian marking), then I'm all for it. It's just hard for a mind-set change to be implemented overnight.

    Of course, outsiders may ask with the intent to slander, or perhaps just being curious. If the Christian is "well founded enough" to have their answer ready for the non-Christian, then by all means let them do it if they are willing to risk the consequences of not doing a "mini-makeover" for now. If they are not so well founded (say they are new to the faith), then giving an answer may be difficult, and not changing the look may more easily result in a lapse back into old habits.

    That's why I would personally highly advise against keeping the look exactly the same. At least not for now. Give it 2-3 generations, and then perhaps the stigma will be gone and then, once again, I'm all for it moving back to a more traditional look -- for then the children would be born Christian (hopefully) or at least not have those associations with the family butsudan. They'd be able to look at it with fresh eyes, whereas our eyes will always be tainted -- for now, at least.

  • @gelatinemonkey - Drag all you want.  If the Buddhist associations were lost over time it would be better, but I think still not best.  It is a very difficult thing for a Japanese to throw out parts of his culture, and one must also be careful not to demand that Japanese observe Christianity according to a filter of American culture.  I can very well understand that a Japanese Christian might find some comfort in having an altar for their dead relatives when it is normal practice for other families to have a Buddhist altar, really.  I would like to be able to say, "Isn't that nice?"  But where is the focus of the altar and the worship that takes place there, on God or on the dead?  To whom is thanks being offered?  Scripture is to be our guide, not a cultural mileau.  A Japanese Christian might be comfortable worshipping at a family altar as his Buddhist neighbors do, but Romans exhorts us not to be influenced by the patterns of this world.  I also see many times in the Old Testament where God demands that altars of other gods be broken down, destroyed and done away with.  I see too great a temptation for a Japanese Christian to be praying to the dead at a family altar.  But in Catholicism this seems to be not an uncommon thing, as dead saints are venerated and prayed to.  Where in the Bible does it say that we are to do that?  Nowhere.  Maybe I would have to have to do the Reformation all over again with whoever is trying to sell these things.  We are not to encourage praying to or worshipping the dead.  This goes for Catholicism and Buddhism alike.  This family altar Christian Butsudan thing is disturbing to me on many fronts.

    I have also heard that when Japanese think they are worshipping their relatives at a Butsudan that they are actually worshipping demons.  Now mind you, I have never seen any little fellers with pitchforks dancing around in a Butsudan, but the idea is rather disconcerting and something to think about.  Why would I want to think about trying to clean that up and imitate it?  I feel like the doors of a Butsudan are little gates to Hell.  Forgive me for sounding narrow minded, but if the dead could speak to the living, they would say, "BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND DON'T COME HERE!!"  I have waited so many years to be able to close the "gates of Hell" in MIL's house.  Why would a Catholic Christian or any Christian want to be in danger of opening those doors up again in the name of Christ?  I am not meaning to argue here, just thinking out loud.

  • @usalapinhazzer - 

    Actually, I think that the reason I'm okay with it is that where there's no explicit content to "worship the dead" any cursory glance of the OT shows that God constantly refers to being the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There are countless praise songs and psalms written about the amazing deeds God has performed in the past. God exhorts us to not forget the good that He has done for us. We are also called to honor our parents (though not above God), yet in the Western mind we basically bury them and then hang a picture up of them. The only time we think of them is on anniversaries of deaths or birthdays, or when someone mentions them. I somewhat believe it could be considered rather rude of us to only think of them "every so often" and the whole honoring thing is done much better in "the East".

    I have heard the statement many times that many Japanese believe that becoming Christian means not being Japanese. I do think we divorce many aspects of culture in a Western attempt to "Clear out ABSOLUTELY ANY POSSIBILITY OF SIN!" God came to redeem that which is broken -- not just throw it all away. That's why I think that anything we COULD redeem should be attempted before we give up on it.

    Don't you think that if the family relatives were Christian, though, that they would say something like, "Keep hanging in there," if the family member praying was giving thanks to God for them. Those are just a few more thoughts I've processed several times.

    God bless,
    ~Scott

  • Why is it necessary to implement Christianity over Buddhism? Isn't it possible for the two co-exist, if not in one person, then one nation?

  • @Ufbad - Oh, my dear J, you know what my answer to that question is going to be...  The God of the Bible says that there are no other gods, and that we are not to make any up.  He says that He is the only one that we are to worship.  I didn't say it, God did.  I wish that He had not said that, but it is what He said and I am not in a position to tell Him that I disagree because it isn't fair, it's narrow minded or whatever.  God is the one who decides how we approach Him and He has said that it is through Christ.  Your argument is not with me, it is with the God of the Bible.

    It is true that the teachings of someone like Buddha may make us more civilized human beings, but they cannot save us from Hell.  There is no amount of study, training, self denial or any other kind of human achievement that will make us clean in God's sight.  There are some Buddhists who, to display their seriousness about being righteous, engage in "ultimate training."  They bury themselves sitting upright in a small box, starve themselves to death and their mummies are installed in temples to be worshipped.  Google "sokushinbutsu."  But we can never achieve righteousness from anything that we do.  We can only have Christ's righteousness credited to us, and that is the only basis on which we can approach God.

    It is feasable that many religions could peaceably exist within a country.  The religions don't have to be fighting with each other if they all really believe what they teach.  Picking figures out of the air, just for example I could say that Japan is 95% Buddhist and 95% Shinto and be perfectly right, because Buddhism and Shinto can indeed co-exist.  People take babies to the shrine to be blessed, have their weddings in a "church" and are interred in a temple.  It doesn't really bother them to mix religions because they want all their bases covered and it is all just a matter of custom anyway.  It doesn't really have any effect on their everyday lives.  They just worship whatever gods they find for whatever they can get out of it.  Everybody goes to a shrine at New Years to toss the god a dollar if that much and ask for happiness in the coming year.  There was even a time in history here when Buddhism was being promoted over Shinto for political reasons, and the Buddhists made up stories that all of the Shinto gods had "seen the light" and converted to Buddhism.

    Christianity is not a national matter, but a matter of an individual heart.  It is based on a relationship of love between Yahweh and the believer.  It is like a marriage, and Jesus is not happy if I invite Buddha into the bedroom, too.  I don't mean to be crude, but that is how it is.  Jesus is also not happy if I invite dead relatives into the relationship under the name of any religion.

    @gelatinemonkey - I think of my dead relatives often, and I don't really need any pictures to remind me, but if anyone wants to hang up a picture I have no problem with that.  If a Christian family member was honoring a dead relative by thanking God for them I have no problem with that, either.  I would do that aloud when I had to visit the family grave site here so that there would be absolutely no misunderstanding about who I was praying to.  I have no problem with putting flowers on a grave.  I really don't know if the inscense is all right or not.  I did it, but would probably rather not have.  When Bachan would leave sake at the grave for Jichan's spirit, that I don't know about either.  I had negative feelings about it, but didn't make a fuss about it or express them.

    It would seem to me that having a Christian Butsudan would be too great a temptation and an invitation to extend ancestor worship into Christianity.  I can accept having a special time of blessing for children in the church during the November in place of the "shichi-go-san" ceremony that takes place at shrines.  I can accept the church gathering to have a time of worship and eat omochi on New Year's day.  But, I don't know if a thing like ancestor worship could be redeemed.  How can idolatry be redeemed?  It is idolatry, you know.  Forgive me if this sounds extreme, but it is almost like saying that cult prostitution can be redeemed, or that human sacrifice can be redeemed. 

    I probably need to ask more Japanese Christians what they think of a Christian Butsudan.  I imagine that they would be more horrified than I was.

  • @usalapinhazzer - 

    I totally see your point. Indeed, the goal is not to redeem ancestor worship, but I suppose to "morph" it into something more like you said -- a time where they give thanks for their family, however often they so desire, and doing it in a uniquely Japanese way which is not simply a "comfortable, American way." It's like saying we need to redeem animal sacrifices. =P The goal isn't to make them to God, hahaha. It's to say, "Okay, you can do this... but try redeeming it by giving it to the poor for God, or doing something else." I also agree that it DOES invite a HUGE risk for people to allow ancestor worship in; however, if they know it's supposed ot be different, and we're faithful in trying to help them read God's Word and understand it for themselves, then I am confident that the Holy Spirit will lead them into correct practice, and teach/rebuke them as they need to be.

    Allowing it in also allows the (unfortunate) side-effect of having some who think they are strong enough to be able to redeem it, and some who think it's not a good idea. It rifts the church, people start arguing over "who's a 'better' Christian"... it's not pretty; however, it's a consensus I ultimately believe is up to the Japanese people to come up with themselves. I only hold my viewpoint so that whatever decision they might make (be it keep or toss), I can attempt to help them understand the consequences, make the best decision on their own accord, and move forward with them.

    It's all so tricky... and so easy to say when I'm "in the safety of still being in America." I guess only time will tell and we'll have ot see how it goes once I'm in Japan again...

    God bless,
    ~Scott

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